Interview: Professional Hacker and Troll Weev

Professional Hacker and Troll Weev"Weev" is a professional hacker and a troll veteran, causing havoc at marketplaces and provoking reactions in the cyber world. His activity has led him to espouse a "ruin lifestyle," which means he moves from condo to condo, with no name and no posessions. Weev recently made the headlines when he appeared in an interview with Mattathias Schwartz for the New York Times, in which he explained trolling as a way of circumventing societal norms and creating social discourse. His ideological and religious ideas challange the common perception of what it means to be a troll in the 21st century.



1. In the recent NYT interview with Mattathias Schwartz, you mention that blogging gives the illusion of participation. What kind of participation has blogging replaced that existed before it? Does the Internet world function as a kind of surrogate activity for people?

It hasn't replaced any previous illusion of participation, only enhanced it. It is in the same vein that Democracy gives people the illusion of choice. Blogging gives people with average to slightly above average intelligence the idea that they are somehow contributing to the public dialogue, when in reality their regurgitated opinions are selected from a small buffet of acceptable viewpoints driven by the economic elites of our society. Consensus is manufactured; one believing that their individual political viewpoint, sans violence, is going to have a dramatic effect upon society is as ridiculous as believing that the choice between McDonalds and Burger King is worthy of philosophical treatise and long discussion.

2. In that same interview, the Internet troll Jason Fortuny explains that he went through sexual abuse as a child, implicitly linking that experience to his trolling activities. Is trolling psychologically a form of disruption with the motive of revenge, or is there a creative, compassionate, and positive side to it?

Fortuny is a godless idiot. In a brief conversation I had with him, he's modeled himself after a character in a Stephen King novel (which apparently is the source of the "RF" in his nick). I think he's an undeveloped child. He acts alone, without community support or consultation. He has no deeper philosophy behind his actions and no idea of what kind of society he wants to live in. He is utterly uncharacteristic of the vast majority of trolls I've held relationships with. He is more like the kind of people we target, not the kind of people we are. The fact that he's never been a part of a militant troll organization is telling, especially since he makes a consistent effort to find a community to accept him. No organization I know of would take him.

Trolling is a method, a style of rhetoric and action. It can be used for constructive or destructive purposes. Some of the greatest champions of Western philosophy have implemented the troll method.

Unabomber, Theodore Kaczynski3. When anti-industrial terrorist Theodore Kaczynski sent homemade bombs to targets he believed represented advocates of industrial-technological development, he in part motivated the attacks by claiming that killing people was the only way of getting his message across. Do you agree that method is less or not important than to successfully getting an important message across? Are there moral limits to trolling?

There are, of course, moral limits to trolling. Goodness, beauty and the meek are valued amongst my comrades and I. I have never picked a troll target that was not morally and spiritually bankrupt. As far as Kaczynski's methods, I would like to defer to Matthew 10:34-39, Luke 12:49-53, and Luke 22:35-38.

4. As a troll you've chosen to be anonymous. Do you believe anonymity is necessary for discourse, and if so, why?

I have not remained anonymous. For the companies I've targetted, I've showed up at their parties and given some friendly greetings to bask in the looks of disgust and disdain. I take credit and responsibility for my actions. I think the mask of anonymity is not intensely constructive. I think the Anonymous group has dismantled some of the great idealism which pervaded troll organizations previously. In Mark chapter 5, there is a man posessed by demons. When asked for his name, he replies "Legion, for we are many."

Some take the fact that I do not use my real name any longer as a sign that I am using a mask of anonymity. This is simply not true, I have just begun to contest the legitimacy of the identity assigned to me by the state. I am not anonymous. I have a name. I have a signature. When attacking organizations, I call their representatives or board members up to tell them in advance who I am and what I am about to do and why I am doing it.

5. How do you look at the Internet security industry, that daily profits from working against hackers? Is there a dependency relationship on either part between, say, Symantec and a professional hacker?

The security industry does not work against hackers. Security is a myth, there is no system that cannot be broken. The industry in and of itself was largely created by hackers. McAfee and Symantec were created by the first virus writers. Some of the most expensive IDS systems have the men who invented IDS evasion on their payroll. Signature based defenses are useless snakeoil, and aren't stopping anyone who wants to get into something from penetrating it. The most effective security solutions (grsecurity, similar patchsets for freebsd, firewalls and policy routing) can be implemented for free if one does not count the time of someone intelligent needed to implement them.

John Bauer's trolls6. What function does "Internet eugenics," or natural selection, serve within the sphere of modern human civilization? Do we also need eugenics outside of the cyber world?

Kate (as mentioned in the NYT article) suggests that the death of the trolling scene on Livejournal effectively lowered the standard of human beings which contribute content on the service. She describes communities she once valued being "filled with fucking furries" and "noone even says anything to them anymore". I contend that trolling is the chief moral arbiter of the Internet. I see little difference between the methods performed by trolls on the Internet when they ruin the lives of furries and pedophiles and the methods used by Moses when he ordered the idol worshippers killed. Martin Luther contended in his tract "On the Jews and Their Lies" that if Moses were alive today he'd be busy burning synagogues. I'm inclined to agree; the only thing keeping us deriding furries on the Internet instead of going to their furry conventions and rapidly exterminating them is the Jewish influence upon society.

Just like how the loss of troll influence upon the Livejournal community resulted in a lower quality of human inhabiting the site, the lack of memetic selection upon Western civilization is resulting in a drastically lower quality of human being infesting it. For Western values to survive, those who attack them must be exterminated. We should start with the furries, and move to the media moguls who are glorifying prostitution and drug use.

Upon some timeline Protestants are going to have to stand up and admit that it is their belief system that made their nations so great, and that without their persistent influence they will degrade into the third world shitholes from which they began.

7. On your LiveJournal blog, you claim that "[e]verything is clearly algorithmically designed." What is the relation between the mathematical language of a computer and the organization of the universe? What is the role of a hacker in this relation?

If divine creation doesn't appear obvious to you, there's really nothing I can say to convince or show you. It is either truth to you, or it isn't. The role of the hacker archetype is of his own decision, but ideally it is to bring the universe more in line with the goals of the creator. We all have a choice every day of our lives to live morally or live under the shadow of evil.

Vietnam war8. You outline a religious-historical perspective on humanity and suggest that we are destined to regularly face crisis, in order to force us to create change and grow through struggle. Is this struggle, in your view, striving towards some form of linear goal of divinity, or is it cyclic and purposeless in nature?

Just because a process is cyclic does not mean it is purposeless. Some of the most efficient and admirable algorithms are recursive. After a period of crisis, religious thought generally gains a lot of mind share. Right before the crisis, scientific innovation and commerce are most highly valued. Religion without science leads to dogmas and stagnation, but science without religion leads to behaviorism, social determinism, and the erosion of the natural world and aesthetic beauty. Perhaps this cycle is indefinite, but perhaps we may break it. Every crisis presents a chance for humanity to say "there is a third way". Every new beginning presents a chance for us to do this new society right, in a sustainable manner. Perhaps the coming purge will be followed by a period where science and spirituality can not spurn one another; it certainly seems more likely than the previous crises. Though I wouldn't put my money on it this time, and if you want to know how the major players are betting you should look at the ratio of investment between weapons development and alternative energy research.

9. If civilizations go through cycles, what is the mechanism that transfers them through cycles?

God. But not in an interventionist fashion. It is the programming of the simulation in which we interact.

10. In what way were Socrates, Jesus and Loki trolls, and do their individual fates reveal something in common that can be equally attributed to modern-day trolls like yourself?

I'm going to focus on Loki because he is the most archetypical figure of trolls and hackers. The Loki archetype has three defining characteristics which were repeated in tales before and after the commission of his myth to prose. The comparison of the Loki myths to the Hindu goddess Kali is the most obvious, but the similarities between Loki and many other figures in both religion and history can be quite revealing.

Idun and Loki* Unusual level of access to all available tools/weapons. Loki was the sole innovator of the norse pantheon. Any time the Gods had a special implement Loki was the source. Thor's hammer, the flying ships and whatnot, Loki either made it or designed it and tricked the dwarves into making it. In the case of Odin's eight-legged horse Sleipnir, Loki birthed it. According to the Norse he was the creator of the fishing net, which had a critical role to play in mankind's development. There is a strong mystical connection between tricksters and innovation. Similarly Kali is given all the magical weapons of the Hindu pantheon before she transforms into Mahakali, her grandest form. Throughout the gospels you can find Jesus being given gifts of tools, culminating with the two swords he receives in Luke.

* Destroys a force of greed. According to myth, Loki disguised himself to arrange the murder to Baldr. According to certain Norse prose, Baldr had commissioned the largest ship and the most beautiful hall of the times. Baldr was the Paris Hilton of his age. The son of Odin, he was never known to do anything but spend money and look good. His accomplishments are nil, but you find many mentions of his wealth and physical beauty. Baldr was decadent and without inner value, and thus Loki selected him to be destroyed. You can find this in the Kali myth as well; Mahakali annhiliates a "great beast" which threatens all of society. The rhetoric of this myth in Hinduism is very similar to that of Revelations.

* Banished or imprisoned by forces friendly to the tyrant, only to be reborn again during a time of crisis. After the death of his son Baldr, Odin became greatly angered. He rounded up a posse of the Gods and had Loki put in a prison, from which he will be released at the time of Ragnarok, which is the norse concept of apocalypse. Kali's supposed "impurity" got banished by Vishnu, the Hindu analogue to Odin. Jesus dies and rises again to hedge against man's exposure to the wrath of the apocalypse.

11. If you could make five large-scale changes to modern society that you deem important, which would those be?

* For evolution to work, we must remove unfit specimens from the breeding pool. We must embrace death as a viable method of preening the population. I would like to focus this selection chiefly upon males, though if a woman becomes powerful and preaches a barren behaviorist philosophy she'll certainly be on the chopping block. The physically unfit by birth should be exterminated in infancy. The physically unfit by accident and mentally unfit should not be supported by the state, forcing them to find a sustainable and simple way of life. I used to be for the mass extermination of the physically disabled, but my business associate Claudia reminded me of how the ancient greeks made an effort to find means of living for their disabled; Homer was blind but still managed to become a defining influence upon Western civlization. I believe that without the narcotic of state welfare these people would find a positive means of living. The obviously mentally unfit (extreme autism, Downs syndrome, etc) should be sterilized.

* For evolution to work, we must create more life than the environment can support. I would like to propose the state prohibition of birth control and abortion. Not that I think it will end access to these things for anyone, but merely make people consider the consequences of their actions more seriously. Widespread distribution of birth control to the Dalit class has lead to a casual attitude about promiscuity and prostitution. In addition to rational evolutionist benefits of having more life to select from, an end of birth control will have positive moral and social effects upon our society.

* No organization should have a monopoly over the creation of their own bank note system. Douglas Jackson and Barry Downey made e-Gold, an online central brokerage that distributes a currency backed 1:1 by gold bullion. The secret service responded by raiding them and taking all their gold. If I don't like how the government runs its monetary policy, I should have the freedom of choice to opt-out. The society that is created after the collapse of this empire should write monetary freedoms into its constitution.

* The shareholders of the reserve bank of any state-created currencies should be the public at large. I find it hilariously ironic, considering the history of this country, that many of the major shareholders of our central bank are organizations and dynasties heavily connected to the Bank of England.

* Under no circumstances should the unfit be subsidized by the state. I would like to propose the end of all state-funded health care, education, food distribution and housing.

Burning church12. According to most interpretations of the Hindu tradition, we're currently living in the age of Kali Yuga; the age of deception, moral decay and spiritual decline. As a troll who also believes in the historical determinism of ancient religious tradition, what is your message to people who feel they're caught in a dark age and want to survive it?

Get many sons and lots of guns. Grow some wheat. Herd some goats. Have a few cows and some chickens. Consider buying a yacht, depending on your locality. Invest 5% of your wealth in commodities. Buy acreage with water rights on it. Get rid of your debts. Start a church. Join your local volunteer rescue organizations. Get involved in CB, shortwave and ham radio. Get sustainable, off-the-grid power. Have some family/community explosives. Promote ideological homogeneity in your community.


Interview was conducted by Alex Birch the 8th of August 2008.

Corrupt would like to thank "Weev" for kindly participating in the interview and sharing with us his thoughts on trolling, religion and society.

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A few parts were interesting.

As for evolution, you need resources to be greater than the population and its means to access resouces(dependent on science) , Just look at how the European renaissance was born from the wake of the black death.

Will this century prove Malthus was correct (if not two centuries early) in his predictions, and will Earths finite limit ultimately negate the progress of science and usher in the collapse at the end of our decline? It's this viewpoint that is of a greater logic than anyone who wishes to inspire a population boom.

The author doesn't seem to recognise that his bible basher meets social darwinist take on things is inherently unnatural, due to the fact that he has consciously intellectualized natures design, and is trying to apply his perception of nature through conscious action, so by definition not a consequence of nature.

Weev is an asshole

Weev is an asshole and an idiot. Why give him more of your time than it takes to write two sentences?

I disagree with a lot of

I disagree with a lot of weev's ideas, though I must say that I certainly agree with the idea of monetary rights. Barter is just as valid as any currency and currency only has value when we attribute value to it. Money is a symbol of an equivalence in labor. The idea that we should eliminate a section of the human race is ludicrous and quite frankly evil. I'm sure he'd argue that evil is a subjective term and I shouldn't be constrained in my thinking to that of social norms- but here's the thing. Humans are sentient creatures and are fallable to the point of bias, bias in turn engenders subjectivity. People who argue against their own humanity and say that "there is really no such thing as good and evil" I would argue are likely to find the idea of Ubermensch appealing. What I find hillarious is the fact that those kinds of people are really arguing an anti-sentience viewpoint. An animal has no concept of the future, planning or form of social stigma to taboo actions, thus no good or evil. Yet sentient humans use these concepts all the time. Sure, the concepts are abused, but man is intelligent enough to do that, much like the tools we used to build the pyramids, in this particular epoch we use the tool of concepts. I believe the next step in human "evolution" (I'm no god-monger but i'm no atheist dawkinite either) is to disseminate cynicism into the social psyche- an Intellectual evolution. To paraphrase an interesting quote I once read;

"An animal finds balance with the wilds, it finds a balance and a selected place within the natural order. Man stands errect and creates his own natural order, he moves the earth to his designs"

"I'm sure he'd argue that

"I'm sure he'd argue that evil is a subjective term and I shouldn't be constrained in my thinking to that of social norms- but here's the thing. " Can you define a single thing that is actually universally evil or good? Good and evil change depending on your perpective, to some something might be evil but the person who commits the act will have their reasons for doing such and will not percieve themself as evil.
I do not like the notion of torture or unrequired violence but the people who do these things do not see themselves as evil. I think they should be put down for beig some mental retard incapable of empathy but still can you name one universal good or evil?

Point I somewhat disagree with is the no support for people crippled by accident or w/e. I think they should be supported if they have the intent to better their life rather than sit on welfare or if they were injured due to protecting scoiety such as a soldier, firefighter etc.

We seriously need to wipe out like 70% of humanity, there is aprox 7 billion now. We would have enough genetic diversity left if we killed off most of the trash like the furries, emos and those who are going to be a buden to us either with their monopolistic ways or somebody who needs other to support them through their entire life.
Smaller population means less resources consumed and allows us to refine aspects of society easier without the dregs.
Get rid of the gold hungry jews too.

There are problems with that

There are problems with that quote in terms of scope. Animals move the earth to their designs. We're talking ant hills, beaver damns, bird nests, apes with clubs, termites boring tunnels in wood and bacteria breaking up rot. Smaller stuff, but everywhere and all the time.

Man isn't at all immutable to the natural order. He clearly doesn't understand it much actually. He's helpless about many things local to the planet. He actually cannot even make it very far from his planet. What happens if a volcano pops its lid? Man runs and hides. A hurricane? Same thing. Diseases? Quarantine and pray. Locusts ravage croplands? Tough. Fresh water dries up? He moves on like a sensible animal.

How about an asteroid or comet strike? Duck and cover. Change of underwear after. An ejected neutron star blows by Earth? Find some high ground away from tsunamis. Oops forgot about earthquakes.

When examined or tested, humans are always the most pretentious of animals. Modern society reinforces this delusion. But sometimes they can dig themselves out of trouble for only a brief time at most.

Sieg Heil Mein Comrade

I agree with you comrade. We must preserve the laws of nature.We ourselves are apart of nature and are subject to the rules of nature. You should probably try and talk to people like you are trying to explain something to a 2 year old. There is a difference between birth control and submitting to the laws of nature, if you had a baby that was mentally or physically unfit without help that baby wouldn't survive and when those babies do survive (by the help of some overly sympathetic girls)they are a burden to
society, because then society for one has to support these babies who really in nature wouldn't survive. Society has in fact been weaken by emotions. You have emotions for these babies who are born with mental or physical disabilities and you let them live and in the long run who do you think picks up the tab for these babies? Do you now how much it is costing the U.S government to support these people born with disabilities? If someone can't support themselves or do anything to help society, then they are a burden to society. This is the price you pay for ignoring the laws of nature.

What is this, some Nuremberg cartoon

It's a good thing that society has a way of marginalizing individuals like Fortuny, and depriving them of power. If this were not the case, America would be a death camp and Fortuny would be the royal ambassador. Quite a compelling car crash you have going on here, man. Fortuny rhymes with loony, his ideas they are car-toony?!

LOL

so all in all, the large-scale changes he'd like to make to society are:

-killing anyone who is born physically or mentally "unfit" should be killed
-while on the other hand, there will be no birth control or abortion policies;
-anyone who is physically or mentally unfit as a result of an accident should not have help and be forced to live in a society designed for the physically and mentally able,
-let the world overpopulate, forcing millions without adequate resources to die and create competition among us, forcing us to "adapt" despite evolution taking millions of years.

Sounds pretty batshit to me. He sounds like one of those bible-basher christian nutcases who you see on the news murdering and cursing everyone who doesn't share their ideals, and who are at the same time bitter at their fortunate lack of power to mould the world into their own race of people where everyone is physically and mentally perfect, and well off with no conflict whatsoever.

Some say that there is a balance of everything. As in, for every positive aspect there has to be a negative to back it up. E.G for every rich person there is a poor person, for every genius there are mentally ill. If the world was some sort of haven where everyone was perfect, how would that promote evolution? If a species is dominant and thriving well in it's own habitat, ther eis no need for it to adapt unless it feels threatened of it's survival. Besides, conflict is beneficial in some ways, things like war and poverty force our minds to be innovative and create new ways to get around these problems.

Humans are tool-users, and to continue our species advancement we must be put in compromising situations that stimulate our minds into creating something new. If there were no mentally ill people, and if there were no cripples, all medicine and equipment used ot help those people would have never been invented, and then those things would have never been modified to create all sorts of new things to advance our race.

You're full of garbage

I think you've made a couple of mistakes in your reply. I'll point them out to you so that you and others can try to avoid making similar mistakes in the future.

One is that you've stated that a certain belief is an implication of what the interview subject said, namely that we should aim for a perfect world and that eugenics and natural selection will get us there, and then criticised that belief (saying we need problems to advance), even though the belief is something that was never stated by anyone other than yourself.

The other mistake is in your promotion of medical technology. The argument you've made is a chain of tenuous relationships each of which is supposed to confer importance: advancement of our race is good, therefore some technology is good, therefore any technology is good because technology can be adapted, therefore problems that need technology to solve them are good, therefore having sick and crippled people around is good. It's quite clear that such chains of argument can be used to confer importance upon anything.

w/e

Not everybody is born in an English speaking country

What a meaningful lifestyle...

"which means he moves from condo to condo, with no name and no possessions."

Sounds like a productive, contributing member of society.

weev is poor

if weev didn't have the questions beforehand and a few days to prepare each answer, he would have made an even bigger foul of himself. this guy is as smart as a plank of wood. evolution will weed weevs out

"foul" of himself?? HAHA

"foul" of himself??

HAHA

He was saying that it's so

He was saying that it's so obvious to him that simplifying it by putting it in summary would not do it justice. It's something so complex and yet simple that you either acknowledge that it works or you don't.

another great interview by the Corrupt staff

interesting guy, very intense and intelligent. not sure I agree w/ him on all points but he's obviously got it together and can back up any ideas/beliefs he has.

curious about what he meant by the following passage:

"For evolution to work, we must create more life than the environment can support. I would like to propose the state prohibition of birth control and abortion. Not that I think it will end access to these things for anyone, but merely make people consider the consequences of their actions more seriously. Widespread distribution of birth control to the Dalit class has lead to a casual attitude about promiscuity and prostitution. In addition to rational evolutionist benefits of having more life to select from, an end of birth control will have positive moral and social effects upon our society."

is there a word missing in the first sentence (like the word "not"?). i would have figured for evolution to work we can't create more life than the environment can support, unless he's just talking about the first step in allowing the human race to slowly rot away from within, the result of which would be resource wars/etc. where (hopefully) the strongest survive?

No, I believe there isn't a

No, I believe there isn't a word missing. It seems that he is using the principle that competition for resources is a driving force for evolution. However, he is obviously not looking at things from a sustainability viewpoint, which is short-sighted.

I was surprised by the statement "If divine creation doesn't appear obvious to you, there's really nothing I can say to convince or show you. It is either truth to you, or it isn't." That is highly simplistic and typical of a faith based argument.

"No, I believe there isn't a

"No, I believe there isn't a word missing. It seems that he is using the principle that competition for resources is a driving force for evolution. However, he is obviously not looking at things from a sustainability viewpoint, which is short-sighted."

Or very long-sighted:

http://weev.livejournal.com/305600.html

"I was surprised by the statement "If divine creation doesn't appear obvious to you, there's really nothing I can say to convince or show you. It is either truth to you, or it isn't." That is highly simplistic and typical of a faith based argument."

While his statement was unfortunately a horrible advertisement for divine creation, be careful not to fall into the materialist viewpoint just yet. Consider the following segments from Charles Eisenstein's "The Ascent of Humanity":

http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/chapter6-3.php
http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/chapter6-4.php
http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/chapter6-5.php
... & so on... actually, the entire book is a rather interesting read.

"be careful not to fall into

"be careful not to fall into the materialist viewpoint just yet."

Well, I wasn't trying to promote any philosophy at all. The aim was to point out a statement whose lack of any rationality stood in stark contrast with a series of answers that appeared to have been thought over, regardless of the merit of the view expressed.

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