Does Being a Parent Preclude One From The Overpopulation Debate?

Recently, I was accused of being a eugenicist on Facebook, by someone I've known for years. This all came about because I gently steered him toward my theory that humans have nearly worn out our welcome on this planet and maybe it's time we trim our numbers down by about 19/20ths so we can rebuild in a more natural, organic way. That, or maybe a nice ice age comes along and buries most of our cities so we're no longer a blight. He, on the other hand, believes the Earth can sustain 100 billion humans with no issues whatsoever - just a note, that's over fourteen times our current population.

OverpopulationMy views were hard to understand for him, as he's a conspiracy theorist and didn't get to the point of figuring out how humanity could effect such a change, only worried about "freedom and liberty", and thus blocked my account after getting the last word. This was after I decided to spin it from a father's perspective, and tell him that I know what child rearing takes, in terms of man-hours at a hospital, stress, nine months of waiting, resources, clean water, available food, distribution resources for all these supplies made elsewhere, etc. just so that one baby can make it from prenatal to postnatal care with no problems...Oh and don't forget those doctors, with their American post-grad degrees. That OB/GYN who delivered our son? He's about $100K in debt before he ever sees his first patient.

Of course, much of these niceties are a wall built around ourselves. If left to mother nature, most births would go just fine, but some babies would die during childbirth as mortality rates are higher in nature, all else being equal. I certainly can't imagine life without my son now, so I appreciate the medical technology. But I do have the perspective to note that no matter what we do, we will never be able to save every single baby and give him those precious first few weeks of constant parental attention, doctor's visits, warm blankets, and formula/milk. It's just impossible, at least with seven billion people on the planet: humanity cannot organize at that level and the resources are becoming too scarce.

Sleeping babyThe hilarious irony in my (former?) friend's rants, per the linked post above, is that he believes in the New World Order and secret societies controlling humanity behind closed doors. Centralized authority loves groups of stupid people in small areas, and with 100 billion people it would actually be easier, not more difficult, to continue centralizing authority. Spreading humanity out with fewer numbers would decentralize authority organically, as it's more difficult - and less attractive - to try and rule more people in far corners of the globe.

As a parent, my views on population, humanity, and life have only been strengthened each time I come home from work and look in my son's eyes. Reducing population globally can still be done safely and voluntarily, or even through more aggressive foreign policy such as "no more aid to dictators who show no regard for their own population". Why this is so hard to understand for so many people who fail to see the endgame of overpopulation boggles the mind.

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ice age

Just fyi since you mentioned ice ages... many scientists argue that we are currently living in a warm period between small ice ages, or rather in a warm period of a much bigger ice age.

http://geography.about.com/od/globalproblemsandissues/a/nexticeage.htm
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/quaternary/hol.html

You can google "holocene epoch" or "quaternary glaciation" for more information.

For more info check out: http://books.google.ca/books?id=knEyjCYWEHQC&dq=After+the+Ice+Age:+The+R...

I'm sorry that your (former?) friend is so short-sighted. If he chooses to believe everything he reads on infowars.com, that is his prerogative, and since he uses facebook as a soapbox to stand on and shout his ridiculous conspiracy theories (at the very least, the ones that he has no evidence to back up), then you are better off being blocked, imho.

Great article

Especially the second last paragraph.

Wow

I just hope I am selected to go on! I gotta work on my genes!

Re: wow

I know it was probably meant in jest, but you wouldn't need to be "selected". This isn't an audtion...the problem has many angles, and if it were me, I'd try to solve the issue in succession as follows:

- shut off relief valve of immigration from third world to first world countries
- stop sending relief in the form of food & money to any other nation - especially dictatorial regimes
- the same nations that are relied upon today would need to re-establish a manufacturing base and stop importing so many finished goods

Once the third world nations realized that the developed nations were serious about this course of action, you'd see them smarten up right quick about their population and resource issues, as they'd have to solve the problem within their own borders instead of exporting it elsewhere. If one region is overpopulated and you don't allow it to overflow into another area, the problem will solve itself, horrible though that solution may be.

Frank why dont you do some

Frank why dont you do some research, before spouting your racist crap.
This planet is not overpopulated, but badly managed.Lets put it into context,you can
house everyone on the planet with a 1/4 acre of land each inside Australia and still have half of Queensland free and the rest of the world.Dont take my word for it, do the maths yourself.
Every dictator that has been and still is, was sponsored by the west, most notably USA & UK.
The west along with the dictators they sponsor have raped and pillaged every third world country of their valuable resources resulting in the murder of millions and the rest are left starving and in poverty.
Maybe you should Empower yourself with some factual knowledge,because judging by your post you know nothing of the subject you write about, and makes you look ignorant.
You should check out John Pilger's work, the award winning journalist, he tells it like it is, unlike you.

re: overpopulation

Ah, the racism card! You just trumped my argument by simply stating the word, racism. Great job!

Maybe you can check out Albert Bartlett on youtube and on this site. It'll teach you a thing or two in the universal language of math and simple physics.

Fact is, even if you're right about your Australia argument, does this give us some kind of moral right to inhabit every square inch of the earth we see fit? We've turned this planet into a strip mall, and to think we should continue digging into the earth and building foundations for housing, malls, irrigating water, using coal and oil for electricity, then pretending we're doing the earth a favor by keeping all this infrastructure in place but buying mercury-filled "green" light bulbs...you need to be quite insane to believe that this is a sustainable long term future for humanity. Go ahead, go to whole foods and look at the bounty of fruit and vegetables they have there - that must prove that we can all live like that forever and ever, amen! All in the name of personal freedom and liberty, right?

Newsflash: nature is entropic and doesn't care about personal liberty. We'll find that out one day, whether there are 7 or 70 billion of us on the planet at the time.

But overpopulation is not

But overpopulation is not defined by how many people that can live in a certain area, but population size x average per capita consumption...

You talk a lot, but basically you're just misinformed.

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