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Guy Music vs. Girl Music
by Martin Regnen
Steve Sailer makes a great observation about one of the things it takes to achieve success in music:
To become a superstar, you have to embody some of the inner fixations of either the male or female publics. And in popular music in recent decades, the biggest names have had largely feminine audiences because male tastes have fragmented into multitudinous narrow genres, such as, say, Melodic Death Metal.
This is also important well below the superstar level; it's true that quite a few guys really like a specific subgenre of music but virulently despise everything else, including some closely related subgenres. Women tend to be less extremist in their stylistic preferences. It can be pretty difficult for a band working in a genre with a mostly-male audience to build a following.
Economically speaking, there is really not much sense in playing very guy-oriented music. As I've already alluded, if your band attracts women to its gigs then plenty of guys will show up to hit on them anyway, even guys who don't think all that much of your band.
Regnens talking about a thing
Regnens talking about a thing called "Selling Out"... It's a machiavellianist approach to music. Me personally, am more of a noble person. I will make music, not comforming to any sort of boundary, and I don't mind if I never hear a clap or cheer from a person again. I will write music for myself, write music about the way I percieve things, etc...
When your music goes famous, you know your music is shit, just for the simple fact that a lot of people listen to it. Most people love unoriginal and catchy music. The music industry has destroyed a lot, so nowadays the true musicians remain less popular as they are more noble and care less about fitting in. We are artists - I'd rather paint my own picture and see if someone else likes it... My question is - Why would Martin write such a terrible article - We have enough fuckheads in the music industry already... Most of them are wanna-be artists.
Yeah
Yeah, Bruckner, Kraftwerk and Dead Can Dance are shit, because their music is famous. Wait, what?
Don't know the other bands.
Don't know the other bands. But Dead Can Dance is a great band... Not many people listen to them apart from the low minority.... They're famous in the way that when you type their name in on google, they'll pop up first, but other than that, they're not a frequently listened to band, therefore, not famous... Dead Can Dance write for themselves, and the style is more underground/celtic/folk than commercial. Their music is spiritually uplifting for me. The lyrics stand out...
Imagine Martins idea - It just breeds more people to sell out. Do you want muso's to cater to people with a highlighted modern egotistical collective and enjoyable sound and image, and hope they'll listen to the message we're trynna get through? Martin - People do that already. Most people in Australia now have a favourite song on the radio, number 1, from Katy Perry, called "I kissed a girl and I liked it"..... Lesbians... no wonder people like it... Oh wait, Lets look at Lady Gaga - "Just dance, It'll be okay".... A chick who doesn't give a fuck, wants to get drunk, and fuck everyone? No wonder people like it...
See - The modern famous music is stuff to do with Lesbians, Hot girls, Drinking, Cars, Money, Being black, holding bling, heartbreak, love, etc.... It's all the equivalent of listening to passive idiots without a say in life. They just fit into already done things that they know will get an audience. I'm a leader, so I choose to move forward and not drop myself down to such a sad way of life....
Martin however likes aiming towards the music industry. Your fucking idiots if you think that will make a difference. The music industry is the main reason why artistic music is dieing... Im surprised to see corrupt, especially martin, supporting the modern music industry, regardless of the pain it's brought to musicians who don't want to write clown music.
Huh?
This is not about mainstream music specifically. As I keep repeating: understanding the economics of music (especially the transactions where no money changes hands) and rational decision-making are good for musicians, no matter whether they choose to try for fame, play covers for income, play post-bop jazz to impress their cultured friends, play a church organ for God or whatever. The goals make no difference, nor does the skill level. I play in several bands which serve completely different purposes, from being strictly about money to playing at religious services for free. Rationality always remains relevant.
Of course a lot of people seem to think that this is very evil and that rational decision-making should have no place in music. That's a curious view. I don't know why anybody would be opposed to musicians making good decisions.
"Popular and successful people must be inferior"
We already covered that belief here: http://www.corrupt.org/news/dont_throw_out_the_beer_with_the_bathwater
Only useful
Only useful if you want to break the mainstream and make a business of your music. I don't really make music with the demographic in mind (well, not that much) i.e. I don't think "oh, this will make the girls all moist".
I personally observe that girls go for stuff with certain aesthetic and emotional qualities, though I can't really back that up.
It can be useful in practical scenarios
I can imagine this bit of information coming in handy. Say you're looking to join one more band and get two offers which are roughly similar in terms of how often they gig, the crowds they draw etc. One band's gigs are a sausage fest, the other's crowds are mostly girls. Assuming all else is equal, it makes more sense for you to choose the second band because it's got better long-term potential. Of course all else is never quite equal, but I think this should be one of the many factors to consider when deciding which band to join or which one to quit.
Even if you're not interested in money or wider success, I think all this stuff matters.
Regnen must like making music for the audience.
Yea Martin. Your view is kinda off. If you play music not for noble causes, why play music at all. I want to see more individual sorts of music come out that doesn't cater towards the modern idea of "good".... Martin... Either you're not a musician, or you truly don't understand the amount of intellect, I, and many infamous musicians have... Basically, to be an asshole and put it roughly, your article is one that says "Do what they want so you get money".... Fuck martin, I've been doing that my whole life, and when I finally find some spare time I like to sit down and play a bit of guitar where I don't play music as if somebody else is going to hear it... You're view is retarded in other words. Probably the worst article I've read on corrupt.
But wow - Imagine how wet those girls would be. So wet and juicy. Scrumpulicious. Oh I just want to lick its succulent juices off and plug it from behind. And then cum my white sap inside... - Martins thoughts.
Worst article on Corrupt? This?
Read this old favorite of mine and you might change your mind: http://www.corrupt.org/news/the_passion_of_the_bassist
I'm really quite proud of that one.
....
Yea. You THINK all this stuff matters Martin... That view is very abstract. Music is an art. Don't place boundaries to it.
I suppose
It would depend on whether I could tolerate the music of the band with the larger female audience and if I was happy playing along with the image of the band, but if so, probably. The last/only big band I was in was just under 50% girls and I failed to capitalise on how interested some of the girls were before being fired. Live and learn, eh?
What about the people who love art in music :(
I'd rather just play music because I love it. If you wanna be a machiavellianist then go ahead... So "noble" of you, you piece of shit. Corrupt is dead.
Martin Regnen makes...
Martin Regnen makes some contentious points about music, but I think he's just showing the business and marketing side of music. Many people would call themselves 'passionate' about music and want to make a living out of it, but you have to play ball to make cash and Regnen just gives a few pointers. The bottom line is, you have to compromise and research your market audience. Obviously the bigger your ambitions, the greater compromise. As a general rule.
I have a broad music taste but music that is deliberately geared towards a big demographic leaves a rotten taste in my mouth most of the time, so I'm going the DIY route and seeking a day job to finance music the way I want to make it.
Yeah, I'd say that's pretty accurate
I don't have anything against the art side of music, I just figure the world has enough people writing about that already. I don't know if I could add anything useful there. That's why I stick to writing cynically about some of the more practical concerns that most other musicians would be ashamed to mention in public.
Give me a break
As a female musician of many years...there are plenty of ways in the business to make money and a living without doing the "boy toy" or "chick singer" thang...we all know that the "biz" is in big trouble and that most of us who make a living in the machine are moving away from the "music biz plantation"....yeah, if you want superstardom...well, great...but I have played to audiences who love what I do and I have not suffered the "starving artist" syndrome....unfortunately...as mentioned in more explicit and correct terms above...grow up out your licentious 18-24 year old male mind set....