by Alex Birch
Following up on Frank's claim that guy's nights out aren't over just because you've become a dad, I'd say it's highly important for men - and women - to have guy's/girl's nights out every now and then, regardless whether they’re parents. Since I've been part of both camps, I'll share some thoughts on the subject.
Guy's night out
I summon all my male friends, except the uber-soft guy I studied philosophy with last year, and book three hours on a public sauna. If you book the last hour, you can circumvent the time limit and basically hang out there all night, which is what we always do. I make sure I have at least two beers for each person, and possibly some Russian vodka for the unlucky ones who've got a cold (not recommended).
We hang out at my place some hour before, debating politics and mocking the latest fruit cake in the media. The conclusions are always the same: leftism doesn't work, we need guns to protect ourselves against idiots, and Czech beer is uber. We drink one or two of those beers and share some laughs. No one talks on the cell phone the whole time and there's generally no talk about women.
Then it's sauna time for as long as we can withstand. I'm usually the last one out, but there's no real pressure to try to play macho by sitting there for hours without taking at least one cold shower. Sauna baths are great in that each person is focused on simply sweating, but can talk with the others whenever he wants to. There's no social pressure and you can be quiet for 30 min without anyone giving a damn. It's a comfortable environment. This is where you discuss women, job-related issues, and non-safe jokes about minorities.
Afterwards everyone is usually too tired to go out to a pub, but if it happens, it usually means another beer or drink at a local establishment, and then splitting up in the middle of the night. Rarely do other people join a guy's night out who weren't invited--if they do, you want to know who they are and what they're all about. If good-looking but unknown ladies stand outside the sauna and ask to join, they're never allowed in. A guy's night out is a closed circle of good friends meeting up, period.
Girl's night out
Girls start the evening by frantically sending text messages all over the place, and suddenly 4+ women are chatting away insanely on a quiet restaurant or bar where there's not too much noise. They immediately begin discussing relationships and update each other on the slightest odd or happy scene: "I saw Marcus water my plants last night. No, seriously, he did!" "OMFG, that is so rare. Did he overwater them" "Of course, what did you think?" They never keep their cell phones more than one metre away, to make sure they don't miss out on an extremely funny message.
A lot of girls usually start with something finer like red wine, and will only drink beer later into the night when they've entered a real pub where there's noise and socialization. They change the subject often and a long period of silence means death. Talk, always. They want to go crazy when their boyfriends are not around, so they gladly freak out on soft things like spilling a glass of wine or messaging the wrong person with personal information. They have no real plans about where to go next, but decide later once the place they’re in gets boring.
They increase the socialization level by ending up at some club, where they possibly rendez-vous with more people. Some want to dance and release energy, others sit quietly somewhere with the cell phone. Discussions usually become intensive rants no one can keep track of. They've swept personal information, so now they just want to have a good time. The night ends when they feel exhausted, either by too much talk or too much moving--or both.
Learn to enjoy both
Joining a girl's night out is chaotic, random, and exhaustive. Any guy who pretends it's like hanging out with his male friends doesn't know what he's talking about--or he's got weird male friends. But there is a charm in joining a social circle only comprised of females. Just make sure you take a dominant position quickly and shout some, or else you'll never be heard during the entire evening (unless someone asks you to say something, which they usually do out of group sympathy). Be entertaining and softly assertive.
If I want to chill out with friends, I summon my male friends. There is no bullshit and minimal randomness. In fact, we plan pretty much everything, and enjoy hanging out while engaging in some light physical activity like walking/biking or visiting the sauna. Even cooking works, especially if you mix guys and girls. Girl's night out kills me, but it's hilarious. Guy's night out is however what I really prefer and I think most men agree.
Not all women are like that
Well, I'm a girl and I would not stand such a girl's night out. Just to balance these stereotypes a bit... I know it was only an example and I don't doubt that the stereotypes actually exist, all stereotypes do to some extent. I mostly just feel sorry for women that can ONLY talk about relationships and gossip and obviously are socially insecure (my interpretation of the constant need of the cell phone). Not all women are like that, promise!
i agree
i agree.
this was an uninformed, presumptive entry. don't fall into ridiculous gender stereotypes to prove any points. you're better than that.
3 hours?
You Scandinavians have some durability. I've been going to my local sauna on a regular basis for about 6 months and I can't handle being in there for more than 20 minutes at a time.
interesting, where do I sign up?
I love the idea of saunas. I've asked some friends to look into where we can do this in the past, but have come up empty. I'm in the Boston area, anyone have any ideas? I think the issue is I'd need to join a Boston Sports Club or some such area trendy gym in order to have access, and you know the problem with that - it would be difficult to book time, just like getting a lane at the pool at the YMCA during winter.
I'm not sure why you think
I'm not sure why you think people care about your social life, if they do it's probably because they don't have one.
Maybe he used it as an
Maybe he used it as an example, or did that idea never cross your mind?
You've been part of both camps?
You mean you've been part of both the girl camp and the guy, uh, camp? Whoa, I did not know that.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Agreed largely on the male one
If I'm lucky enough not to be that uber-soft philosopher (which I am deeply paranoid is a role that I have filled many a non-evening), I often like fairly well-planned nights out (or at least ones where I've some idea of what debauchery might occur, so I can get myself in the right mindframe), much more than ones filled with back and forth indecision and disagreement about where to head onto next, and the resulting obscene amount of money spent, etc. I also like what I consider to be the more male thing of not feeling the need to talk unless something comes up. Do most people (typically women) not like just the simple pleasure of basking in the company of good friends? There is a certain warmth about being around friends which is not comprised of words alone. To quote Pulp Fiction (Uma Thurman's character, mind): "Uncomfortable silences. Why do we feel it's necessary to yak about bullshit in order to be comfortable?[...]That's when you know you found somebody special. When you can just shit the fuck up for a minute, and comfortably share silence."
Agreed on girls' night out
Jesus Christ, hanging out with girls my age is torture. I hate being around people constantly on a cellphone, whether it be if they're talking or texting their fingers off. Not only is it rude, but it's pathetic that they can't part ways with the device long enough to commit to a moment.
People are astonished when I show them I don't have the latest hip camera/GPS/pocketknife/vibrator phone and instead a regular old flip one.
Yeah I get that too, since my
Yeah I get that too, since my cellphone is about eight years old.
"Haha I really like ur phone man it's SUPER OLD"
I'm not into the whole seduction/PUA/whatever thing but Tyler Durden who is seemingly one of the bigger names in this movement wrote something worthwhile on this in his blog:
"[...] I also don't share this often, and I don't judge people for it AT ALL, but I have the personal opinion that having your cell phone left on when you're out with friends is obnoxious.
It's cool in certain situations when you're waiting for a girl to show up, or some buddies to arrive, but once you've got the whole party going it's time to hit the off-switch."
oo tylder durden has a blog?
do tell - link?
I agree - when cell phones first hit the big time here in the States around 1998 or so (smaller devices, longer battery life), they quickly became a status symbol rather than a gathering tool. I had a roommate in college who was on it all the time and even plugged it in to talk on it even though we had a landline in the room I barely used. After a few months he said, "I need to go get a new phone". I said what happened to your Nokia? "Eh, I'm getting tired of it...". That was in 1999....just sad...the phone has become less a communication device and more a way for us to twitter and think about what we're doing NEXT instead of savoring a particular moment.
I'm reminded of a moment in season 5 or so of the Sopranos when Tony pours some champagne after moving back in with his family. He sees his idiot son AJ gulp it down and stops him - this also had a great undertone re: alcohol consumption in America by young people, by the way - and says, "hey, hold on...go slow. Savor it. It's important."