F*ck 'em both; same with all the other white pride, socialism, black pride, brown and w/e else. just abunch of people voicing abunch of their nonsense over the internet because they know nothing they say will ever materialise and are too weenie to try to materialise. the internet is where the "thinkers" opposed to the actual do'ers go to be validated by others who are stuck in the same dream world.

I was under the impression that Stormfront types believe that society is too feminised and misandrous, women are given too many advantages, etc:
http://heretical.com/sheppard/in-women.html
How exactly do they believe that women are mistreated?
I know about communists whining about 'patriarchy' etc, but I don't see any 'pro-female' beliefs among Nazis.

I was once a member of NewSaxon "An Online community for Whites, by Whites." At first, I didn't know it was a skinhead forum, though that quickly changed. However, after this revelation, I decided to pick their brains, to argue points, and to see how well their ideology held up to criticism. It didn't. Unfortunately, they were as bad as the liberals they claim to despise, as they fell to emotional knee-jerk reactions when their precious ideologies were criticised.

One main question I asked was, "Wouldn't it be better if all the race/national pride movements came together and agreed to stay in their own areas?" The answer I received was that all the different White Power groups could never get along. I explained that I actually meant Skinheads, Black Panthers, Zionists, La Raza, and the like get together and agree to remain separate. There was no intelligent response: I was called every name in the book, and labeled a Jewish communist.

Months later, I was banned from the forum for promoting Germanic Pride over White Pride. I asked them, "If you are expressing White Pride, why do you have so many members with Olive to brown skin and black hair? They don't seem too white to me." As a result, I was banned from a skinhead forum for being too racist. It really was gratifying.

The left and the right have their good points, but they arn't as brilliant on their own, take the left right political spectra and fold it in half pointing upwards, now we have a down and up scale, transcendancy and ciscendancy, (cis- means closer to - unsimplified/chaos, trans- means further to - simplified/order) the furthest belowon this is the modern PC Western Government and furthest above is the Utopian Empire of Sol.

This fictional solar empire is extremely radical, almost to perfection, it is nationalist and internationalist, planetist and interplanetist. All the human race and other extra terrestrial foreigners are in this empire. They started out in a small locality and then took over the world in a communazi regime, billions of stupid people died trying to fight for their socially idealised unreality, they went into hell only to turn this planet into heaven, then they invested effort into more fruitful goals and colonised the solar system creating a huge solar empire for all life to flourish and shine its true potential using the power of nature to change the social landscape through supreme caste systems.

The right provides the body of civilization with cells of localities and individualities, the left provides the body of civilization with the veins that provide the cells of localities with interdependancies and connectedness through diplomacy and sharing of great knowledge and responsibility. Being independant is great, it is the a good idea, being interdependant is great too, this is not a heads or tails flip of a coin, this is a win-win when they are unified, they are of the same body in which we call utopia.

Both sides want some strong government to magically do all this stuff for them, and they want to just sit home and click "yes" on the intertard, or maybe scream racial insults at someone. The left is as racist as the right, but they just hate whites and Jews instead of Africans and Asians.

The right doesn't believe that women are oppressed. They believe that liberal society has taken their role away in efforts to "liberate" them.

Yes, I´ve been thinking about it too. Its always good to ask oneself: cui bono? I suggest that contemplating "cui bono?" and the principle "divide et conquera" will lead to the realization that it is the establishment, that both sides claim to fight, that wins from the struggle between the far "left" and the far "right".

You definitely have a point, but these two groups still differ. The leftists are mainly pro some kind of humanism, the rights aren't. When all those ideological goals you mention are reached they won't be able to agree on how society should look. But sure, until then they really should try to prove that it's not only surrogate activities...

Both get really annoyed when you tell them "I don't like either kind of socialism - neither national nor international".

The two species will never unite. The antifa believes that imperalism, sexism, environmental destruction, capitalism, and anti-democratic sentiment are the faults of nationalistic white heterosexual males -- while the nationalist (who is usually a white, hetrosexual male) believes that imperalism, sexism (in the guise of radical "feminism"), environmental destruction (via overpopulation), capitalism (particularly the neocon/neolib variety), and anti-democratic sentiment (judicial activism) are the faults of progressive do-gooders. It doesn't matter that they may share some parts of their ideology when the main thrust of it depends on the fact that the other group is the source of all the world's problems.